To begin learning the songs and calls of western birds, you might want a simpler guide. But even beginners can select a few species at a time to tape onto a cassette and listen to over and over, then tape a few more over that and listen to them over and over. If you only purchase one sound recording set for western birds, this is the one to get.

And you can't beat Amazon's deal when you buy both [now and save.]

"A case of mistaken identity", The quality of the recordings are excellent and the range of birds' songs covered is copious. The song for the Red brested sapsucker is that which is made by the Red breasted Nuthatch. It's not the entire portion of the recording for this bird. The part for the sound made by the Nuthatch "with nestlings" is under the sapsucker. Its not a case of confusion with the common name. A portion of the recordings were switched or mislabled for these two birds. I have not noticed this occurring anywhere else. If it does I would take away more stars.

"The definitive reference for serious birders", Hard as it may be to believe, up until now there has not been a guide to bird songs of North America that includes virtually all the North American species AND which presents more than a brief snippet of sound for each bird. Until now, you actually could buy a more comprehensive guide to the bird songs of southern Africa than you could for North America! Plenty of less comprehensive sound guides for North America are on the market, but for an "encyclopedia" of bird sounds on this continent, birders have mostly had to content themselves with the Peterson sound guides, with their brief (5-10 second) sound samples and (until recently) completely outlandish price tags.

Finally, with the publication of the western edition of the Stokes guide in 1999, birders have the definitive reference they have been waiting for. These two volumes (the eastern edition is by Lang Elliott) together must be considered among the greatest bird sound guides ever published, anywhere.

Lang Elliott and Kevin Colver, the compilers of the two guides, are among the best natural sound recordists in the Americas, and had extensive experience producing their own CDs and tapes of natural sounds before they undertook the massive editing job for these guides. The results are stunning. The bird songs (averaging 30-35 seconds for each species, with variations of song and call notes also given where appropriate) are reproduced in the best audio quality possible. Notes accompanying the guides list each vocalization type heard on the CDs or tapes. The CDs and tapes average over 70 minutes each; about 8 1/2 hours of listening if you get both guides. Species of birds that have never been presented on any other guides are included here: Black Vulture, California Condor, and Horned Puffin for example. No effort was spared to track down recordings of even rarely heard species. The odds are overwhelming that, wherever you live in North America, the next bird sound you hear when you step outside is on at least one of these guides.

Since the publication of the Stokes guides, the Peterson series has reduced their prices. (I think they must hear footsteps behind them). But the Stokes guides are well worth the few extra dollars you will pay to enjoy and use them. Where else are you going to get a three or four-disc set for the prices you see here? For the beginning birder, I don't know if I would recommend these potentially overwhelming compilations. (Try one of Elliott or Colver's other CDs to start learning the songs of the bird around you!) But for the serious birder who wants to step up to a full-service guide to bird songs, there really is no other choice any more.

Thank you, Lang Elliott and Kevin Colver, for these superb reference works.

"very helpful", I recently moved to a rural home in the woods so I hear many bird songs at once. The songs on this CD are very clear, and it's easy for me to look up specific birds. The sound quality is very good. However, I also had Peterson's "Birding By Ear" on cassette for several years. The narrative on that is especially helpful for remembering different birds. Still, I am very pleased with the Stokes Bird Songs.